Wikizilla talk:Scope

Potential addition of Toho horror

Last year, the Bloodthirsty Trilogy films were deleted from Wikizilla due to a lack of evidence for Teruyoshi Nakano directing their effects, and with them we altogether removed horror from the Toho movie and TV rules. However, we did so on the condition that horror can be restored if evidence is found that definitively puts Nakano in the director's chair for any of the Bloodthirsty movies. While that hasn't happened yet, I'd like to document all that such a change would entail for future reference.

Films

Change to rules #3 and 4: "Be science fiction" → "Be science fiction or horror"

Films this would qualify, along with my reasoning:

• The Vampire Doll (1970) [3] - Most likely to qualify by Nakano IMO, but the next two could theoretically be "3" too
• Lake of Dracula (1971) [4] - Second Bloodthirsty movie. None of the entries are connected, but they're pretty regularly a package deal
• Horror of the Wolf (1973) [3] - Main character is a werewolf, co-written by two-time Godzilla writer Jun Fukuda
• Evil of Dracula (1974) [4] - Third Bloodthirsty movie, same logic as Lake of Dracula
• My Soul is Slashed (1991) [3] - Vampire movie directed by Shusuke Kaneko, who directed three Gamera movies
• Haunted School (1995) [4] - First in a quadrilogy including Haunted School 3; unsure if their stories are connected, but their titles alone make them unambiguously related
• Haunted School 2 (1996) [4] - Second in the Haunted School quadrilogy
• Haunted School 3 (1997) [3] - Paranormal movie directed by Shusuke Kaneko
• Haunted School 4 (1999) [4] - Fourth in the Haunted School quadrilogy

Television

Change to rule #2: "Be science fiction" → "Be science fiction or horror"

Shows this would qualify, along with my reasoning:

• Bloodhound aka The Vampire Gigolo (2004) [2] - Features vampires and possibly others. Whether it's tokusatsu will depend on your definition - the only FX credit is Tomoo Haraguchi for modeling, but it's included in Toho Special Effects Movie Complete Works. If it proves tenuous, there's still a chance with the next two :P
• Fantasma (2004) [2/3] - Replaced Bloodhound on TV Tokyo. Japanese Wikipedia outright calls it horror and tokusatsu, but I know little about it
• The Great Horror Family (2004) [2/3] - Replaced Fantasma on TV Tokyo. Like that one, Japanese Wikipedia calls it tokusatsu horror

P.S.: All three of the above shows were released with subtitles on Region 1 DVD by Bandai Entertainment, which makes covering them worlds easier. Also, The Great Horror Family's replacement was "Go! Go! Heaven", produced by a production committee that I can't find the members of. I don't expect Toho to be attached though, because it was released on DVD by Pony Canyon rather than Toho, unlike all three of its predecessors. Les (main | talk) 04:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Reptilicus

Does Reptilicus (the 1961 Danish kaiju film) not qualify for coverage? I always thought it was strange it didn't have an article on here, I'd be open to making a sandbox if that's allowed. ~Shevadeen

Unlike its siblings Gorgo and Konga, we didn’t find it to have enough in common with Godzilla or Kong. --Les (main | talk) 06:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah that's a shame, thank you! ~Shevadeen

If we can finally get access to Melchior's screenplay for The Volcano Monsters, and we are able to find direct commonalities between the two screenplays other than broad story beats, I would like to use that as a potential foundation to bring Reptilicus back into the fold. I understand our present reasoning, but personally, it never really sat right with me that it had to be pruned, considering there is that direct lineage from a (sort of) Godzilla project.--Space Hunter M (talk) 15:37, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

By the way. The lizard called Reptisaurus appears in issue #12 of the Gorgo comic. It looks like Reptilicus, and the user who wrote the page believes that they are the same creature. Public Domain Super Heroes states that Charlton Comics originally did indeed plan to add Reptilicus to the comic. Anguirus95 (talk) 10:34, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

The Deadly Mantis and Tarantula

I've always believed that these two films had the strongest influence on Godzilla and King Kong series. Kong in the 1976 remake has the same roar as the giant mantis from the 1957 film. In Final Wars, Kumonga appears in Arizona, just like the mutated tarantula did in Tarantula. And weren't Kamacuras and Kumonga inspired by the monsters in The Deadly Mantis and Tarantula? Anguirus95 (talk) 14:21, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

To be honest, I always thought that more coincidental than anything, since oversized versions of real life animals is a common trope in kaiju/monster on the loose films. JohnGojira (talk) 14:41, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any connection to Son of Godzilla either. The Mantis roar has indeed become a stock effect (even Gamera used it), and FW Kumonga's location being a Tarantula reference seems plausible, but those aren't the kind of things I would call "significant influence." Consider the amount of times that Godzilla's roar has been reused in other media and the amount of references to other movies there have been in Godzilla media. vs. King Ghidorah mentions E.T. in a newspaper, has a submarine named after the protagonist of Alien, and has Terasawa quote Sudden Impact; vs. Mechagodzilla II has a deleted scene where Aoki calls Catherine Berger a Replicant from Blade Runner; Final Wars has a joke about Ironfinger; the Monsterverse Ghidorah's Outpost 32 is a reference to The Thing; etc. We couldn't possibly justify covering things based on those connections alone. --Les (main | talk) 15:02, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

It's sad. I really wanted to add something about these films to Wikizilla😟 Anguirus95 (talk) 17:07, 22 July 2025 (UTC)